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Monday, April 05, 2004This latest Appliance Jive Turkey Award goes to a parts changing monkey who works for Sears/A&E in south Florida. Reason for award: this monkey boy tells customers with refrigerators that have had a sealed system leak that the sulfur in their water corrodes the copper and causes the leak. Our story begins with Charlie, in Florida, who has a two year old Whirlpool refrigerator model number ET21PKXGT02. Recently, the nearly-new refrigerator stopped getting cold. She went through all the basic checks with guidance from several appliance gurus at the Appliantology Group and it became apparent that the refrigerator had developed a sealed system problem. Since the sealed system is covered by a five-year warranty, we advised her to call for warranty service and have it repaired. What happened next reads like something out of a Franz Kafka novel. Charlie tells the story in the forum, but I'll summarize it here. The jive turkey who came out to the house was not a Whirlpool employee--he works for A&E Factory Service, a service company owned by Sears and is, in fact, a Sears employee with a different uniform. A&E is given priority on all Whirlpool-dispatched service calls, but Whirlpool has no real control over A&E operations or targeted markets. This is a really bad situation for both Whirlpool and the consumer because, through this arrangement with Sears, Whirlpool has lost all control of its warranty service to Sears. You can read more about this sick saga of corporate inbreeding here. Anyway, our illustrious Appliance Jive Turkey Award recipient took one look at the blackened copper tubing in back and fed her a line about how sulfur in her water was corroding the copper tubing, causing them to leak and that this was not covered by warranty. He wrote the service ticket up as non-repairable, passing the buck to Whirlpool, and left. Intrigued by this novel line of bullsheist from an obviously accomplished jive turkey, Charlie called his employer, A&E Factory Service. Now, here's where it gets Kafkaesque. A&E told her that she should have known to paint the tubing with acrylic paint to protect them from the sulfur. I guess the fact that her previous refrigerator (a Frigidaire) only lasted 15 years in that same location should have been a clue that sulfur is a problem! It reminds me of Franz Kafka's The Trial where a bank clerk is arrested and put on trial. He never learns the nature of the charges but is told that he should have known better. (Not a happy ending, either. In the end, he is taken away by knife-weilding officials who kill him 'like a dog.') Another tech in the forum, fixum1, gave her the number to the Whirlpool partner line and suggested she might have more luck with that office. But they just gave her the run around, seemingly reluctant to get involved. Whirlpool's authorized warranty service company, A&E, has become completely enamored of their star jive turkey's line of horse manure and has reported this "sulfur corrosion" phenomenon to Whirlpool...without laughing too much. Whirlpool is probably wondering what those parts changing monkeys at Sears/A&E down in south Florida are smoking. Obviously, the line about sulfur in the water corroding the copper was a very creative bald-faced lie told to avoid doing a lengthy sealed system repair at 4:30 in the afternoon. According to forum guru, fixum1, the real reason the copper tubing turned black was that a faulty brazed joint in the copper tubing around the filter-drier released compressor oil in the tubing around there. Although this jive turkey repairman is a Sears/A&E employee, Whirlpool is still on the hook for the repair. A warranty is a warranty and they have yet to make good on it. Stay tuned for updates on this situation as we follow it to final resolution.
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31 Comments:i in fact used to work for sears/a&e factory service.....my advice to this lady, call a&e at 1-800-905-9505 and ask to speak with the C.I.T team. this is in fact the department i used to work in, and its a supervisor team. they wont give you the run around like the local repair center will. anymore questions regarding help, or any questions about a&e procedures in general, let me know. By ragin_cajun, at August 01, 2004 3:02 AM Yeah-I too unfortunately used to work for A&E "Factory" Service in Phoenix,AZ. I left for several reasons, one of which was my frustration of getting sent out on calls following newly minted techs that were fixing burgers last week. As far as the previous message about C.I.T., well that is just Sears. To get a good response about any problem with an appliance follow these simple steps. 1. NEVER BUY FROM SEARS. If you do you are buying an appliance purchased from the manufacturer with no warranty. Sears warrants the item. You have no recourse other than Sears for service. You then have a tech more worried about his cost per repair than fixing your unit right. He will rebuild your part with used parts in his van rather than replace it with new. This is especially true if he doesn't have it since he is also graded on his trips per repair. If you buy from a retailer other than Sears, you have the option of demanding a servicer other than A&E. You may be told you will have to wait longer for service, it will be worth the wait. Besides, A&E is required to maintain 3 day service to continue getting Whirlpool calls. As a result, they regularly overbook their techs and rescedule calls and have rushed techs. Wait for an independent. You will almost surely receive better service as they are mostly genuinely interested in cultivating good cutomer relationships. They will help the customer get the problem resolved. By Shalla, at November 29, 2004 12:08 PM
A & E Factory service SUCKS. Bottom line, DO NOT USE THEM THEY ARE THE WORST. Technician came out on 3/3 to fix a leak, the next day the fridge did not work at all. I called, could not get appt. til 3/11 and then they never showed up or called. I called again to schedule, because they won't take the time to call and reschedule or call to let you know they aren't coming. The technician finally shows up today 3/13 and tells me that the previous tech forgot to re-plug the fan and that is why our fridge was not working. 10 days later and a crap load of spoiled food, the thing is finally fixed. Thank you A and E for winning the award for worst customer service, worst repair and a complete disgrace to American repair companies nationwide. By , at March 13, 2006 6:50 PM Hey everyone, i am an A&E Tech. The truth is that i run into alot of what everyone has mentioned, lazy techs, poor cust. relations, etc... But not every tech sucks. Those who have never worked for sears and has worked with the old true Whirlpool Factory Service techs or as been trained by one like myself, has better work ethics and will focus on cust. satisfaction. Always ask for the best. Im young only 20yrs old, but i satisfy my custumers and stride to be the best. others like me me are in A&E. Find us and you will be satisfied. As for the lazy retarded techs, they do not last long. By , at April 26, 2006 2:27 PM
to the A&E TEch. I hope your are right. The first Tech to look at my Kitchen-Aid dishwasher came exactly at 8AM, and was very professional and knowledgeable. Today, after waiting for 3 weeks for parts, I was to have someone here between 8-12. I received many calls from the repair center saying he was on his way. Now it's 5:22 and I am sill waiting. I can only hope he's a good tech like you seem to be, and he will still come today. By , at April 27, 2006 5:25 PM I am also a victim of A&E. I will not go into my story as this has been going on for two months and our fridge is still not fixed. I do not understand how companies of such can survive working with people of this sort. I understand and believe that there are knowledgable, honest Tech's out there but with my experience there has been 3 different techs who have come out here and have given us 3 diff. answers. On top of that the reps at the call center gave us different answers as well. There can be mistakes made by anyone in any profession but when you feel cheated and they are doing it continuously, that's when people should start voicing their opinion. We have since complained to the CEO of A&E and KitchenAid. We have records and names of everyone who has been working on this assignment. At the end of the day, it does not matter if the fridge was taken care. Its about customer service and being honest. Now we all know A&E will never be used by us or recommeded to any of our friends or family. By , at May 02, 2006 2:46 PM
I am beyond frustrated and am filing a small claim against A&E Signature Appliance, aka A&E Factory Service. They gave me a huge runaround when I tried to obtain their address for the process server -- one "Juanita" in customer service (800)905-9505 actually insisted three times that A&E was spelled ANE (like "AND" but with an "E" instead of a "D", she said). And she gave me 800-413-1657 as their legal department. Turns out, this line is staffed by "Citicards Assets Sales Department", you can only leave a message. "Juanita" would not tell me which state A&E was incorporated in -- HA! It's ARIZONA! By , at May 03, 2006 8:38 PM Dude, great rant! Keep us posted in the how your lawsuit goes. By Samurai Appliance Repair Man, at May 03, 2006 8:49 PM
Reading this post has been like group therapy for me. Last year I too was victimized by A&E. Our refrigerator went out and we were directed to A&E. The repair guys had to come 4 different times over a 2 month period, and we had to wait for parts to be shipped on two different occasions. A couple of the times the repair guy was here he misdiagnosed the problem entirely. On one of the four visits, two guys came, and one of them (while the fridge was all taken apart), made a mistake and caused damage to the fridge. So the next time they came they spent 4 hours fixing the screwup. Four visits. TWO MONTHS WITHOUT A FRIDGE!!! This was during the winter, so we kept all our food in boxes on the back porch and the garage to keep it all cold. Wow, that was fun! And the main repairman that came 3 of the 4 times was curt (borderline rude) and acted very put out that he had to come 4 times, as if it were my fault that my fridge had problems. By Nathan, at May 06, 2006 12:45 PM
Sorry for the length of this rant, but this has to be read to be believed... By TCS, at July 02, 2006 2:28 AM That is one helluva story, thanks for posting it. Please keep us updated on how this turns out for you. Don't let The Man keep a bruthah down! By Samurai Appliance Repair Man, at July 14, 2006 11:24 AM
Here's the rest of my story. A few days later I got a call from Sears Home Repair saying that I had an appointment scheduled for July 10; I had never scheduled an appointment with them, so I assumed the last repairman scheduled it to put in the correct-size defrost timer. I said that July 10 won't do, I have to work during the week, and I can accept only Saturday appointments. The next available Saturday appointment was July 22 between 8 AM and 12 PM. I said OK, given that the refrigerator was running properly again, and then I asked the customer service rep to put a note in the computer that this was a service call to put in the correct size defrost timer and to make sure that all my previous information was recorded, and he said he would make sure that note was there. By TCS, at July 26, 2006 11:25 PM This post has been removed by a blog administrator. By TCS, at July 26, 2006 11:25 PM This post has been removed by a blog administrator. By GetWhatIWant, at August 08, 2006 9:03 PM I was a customer of A&E Factory services. I had my icemaker go out and I called A&E and they said they had no sooner service and the techs were booked out for a week and a half. I then called Whirlpool, with my 3 complaint calls into Whirlpool they called A&E and got someone bumped off their so I could get moved in. My ice maker was fixed in time for margaritas the next night. I learned if I complained enough to the manufacturer they can get someone else bumped off the route and I can get what I want! By GetWhatIWant, at August 08, 2006 9:07 PM
Wow. This is like group therapy. By SpiralHedgeWitch, at October 03, 2006 5:52 PM I don't feel any better after reading this, but at least I'm not alone. Here are my experiences. So far it's been a month and they still haven't fixed my refrigerator. By mike, at October 29, 2006 12:07 AM
Amazing, By , at November 28, 2006 10:51 AM
By the way, if anyone wants their number...here it is: By , at November 28, 2006 10:53 AM
Oh man, thanks for all these postings! I wish I found these sooner. By Jeanne Claire, at March 11, 2007 11:50 PM My washing machine broke & I called a Sears Repair Center who gave me A&E's # to fix the problem. My reparmain arrived on time and eventually determined that my lid switch was broken. He said that it would be roughly $160 to repair and he couldn't come back to fix it for another week or so. I asked him how much the part was and he told me it cost $20! I couldn't believe they were going to charge me $140 to change a switch!! I denied their service, ordered the part on my own (less than $30 with shipping & taxes) and changed my own switch in less than 3 minutes. I'm not sure if this is typical pricing for a switch change, but I can't help but feeling like they took advantage of a seemingly young naieve woman... By hbearfoot, at March 17, 2007 6:16 PM
Wow, I wonder if the only folks that go the the trouble to post service reviews here are only the ones that have had problems. I came on the board this afternoon to post a positive comment on A&E and found this highly negative thread. By google, at March 30, 2007 4:23 PM
My my my. I almost wish I'd checked here first, before calling A&E for service on my Kitchen Aid refrigerator (the third repair call since it was installed just nine short years ago, and the second in about two years) By Daniel, at April 20, 2007 10:30 AM Unbelievable! This A&E Company is a nightmare!I have a JennAire Range Hood that is new in 2005. In April It stopped working entirely. Not an Electrical problem. I have had an incredible path of no-show for the 12-5PM appt. re-scheduling again no show,This has happened 4 times. Here I am at home again for the 5th attempt.What a fool I am! When I have tried to speak to anyone with authority, I get the same answer,"I am the only person that can schedule this appointment" I am being held hostage by the worst customer service company in the US. By Andrew, at June 20, 2007 3:28 PM
I guess I am very fortunate. I have a Jenn-Air slide-in, down-draft range that died several weeks ago. I checked the Jenn-Air web site and called a local service company that was listed there as well as recommended on the web site of our local TV consumer trouble-shooter. By Duane, at July 20, 2007 5:18 PM
I wish I had read these comments before I got redirected to A&E by Kitchenaid. By Santosh, at August 31, 2007 1:33 PM How are these people allowed to continue (A&E)? I'll spare you all the details, very similar to whay I've read here, but I have a broken freezer/icemaker on a Kitchen-Aid 84 in. high built-in supposedly high-end unit($4500.00)that is 2 1/2 years old. A&E has been here twice, changed the computer elements-still no freezer- ordered 5 boxes of parts which arrived 2weeks ago,and have made 3 appointments to come out with 2 techs, which the last man that came insisted was needed- but no-one ever came despite numerous calls and assurances "they are definitely coming today, he's waiting for the 2nd tech", even tho it was booked twice for 2 techs, once for 12 to 5, and today for 8 to 12. I was told again today he was on his way--it's now 5:40 PM. I called Kitchen-Aid service contract company during the last 4 weeks- they helped set up appointments, but today I was treated like a pest and that I would have to wait for A&E,since they were here twice already. I can't ask for some other repair company anymore! Here I sit with no freezer and a room full of parts, not knowing who else to call. Joe Frustated in Middletown, NJ By joeseashore, at September 17, 2007 5:50 PM
I can't believe there are so many of you out there who's problems with A&E mirror ours. Rather than rant all over again, I have just copied the letter we are sending to GE, BBB and our local new station's watchdog department. Sorry for all of your frustrations, but glad to know we are not alone. By mbarker, at September 18, 2007 1:37 PM Do not use A&E. I live in VA. A&E is not registered to operate in VA, as they are not registered in many States. They have no office in these States and use subcontractors (the guy on the truck). It is a way to protect them from legal actions. They flooded our finished basement. By Swede, at January 07, 2008 11:53 AM I'm wondering how many people out there have run into "the jive turkey". I'm being told by A&E that my kenmore refrigerator is leaking freon because of sulfer in the air of my house. Because of this they do not want to stand behind the 5 year warranty on a 2 1/2 year old refrigerator. How common is this excuse? By 74buggin, at February 29, 2008 9:33 AM
Aw, A&E ain't so bad. Problem is, folks who don't have problems aren't posting here. I purchased a Miele gas cooktop from Design Expo {waits for laughter to subside}... and it had an ignition problem from the outset. I called Miele and they sent out an A&E tech who got here on time and fixed the unit promptly. By jim, at December 03, 2008 5:37 PM |
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